Re: PES 2016 NEWS, DISCUSSION, VIDEO & SCREENS (Part 12)

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Re: PES 2016 NEWS, DISCUSSION, VIDEO & SCREENS (Part 12)

Postby Bravez » Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:55 pm

*facepalm* why on earth did they not bcc everyone or use some sort of marketing tool? Absolute cowboys.

On the stats thing i actually think its a good idea. EA have done it for years and i was actually one of many aston villa editors back in 09 :lol:

I applied and had to take an unknown player and a well known, stat them up and show how and why i gave them those stats and what sources i used. I remember the unknowm player being rodrigo possebon haha!

No idea how i got given villa but i knw they had plenty of people doing the same teams to avoid anomolous stats and bias. We had to check sock tape any everything else accessory wise.

Customer provided content is ideal in terms of cost and often quality as its provided by passionate people. There are obviously pitfalls too.
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Re: PES 2016 NEWS, DISCUSSION, VIDEO & SCREENS (Part 12)

Postby Timtc10 » Fri Feb 26, 2016 9:25 pm

Bravez wrote:*facepalm* why on earth did they not bcc everyone or use some sort of marketing tool? Absolute cowboys.

On the stats thing i actually think its a good idea. EA have done it for years and i was actually one of many aston villa editors back in 09 :lol:

I applied and had to take an unknown player and a well known, stat them up and show how and why i gave them those stats and what sources i used. I remember the unknowm player being rodrigo possebon haha!

No idea how i got given villa but i knw they had plenty of people doing the same teams to avoid anomolous stats and bias. We had to check sock tape any everything else accessory wise.

Customer provided content is ideal in terms of cost and often quality as its provided by passionate people. There are obviously pitfalls too.


That's pretty cool!

I think customer created content is the way to go for football games... A fully customisable experience however, I don't think we'll see it unless a new competitor comes into the market... I'm half tempted to try and start it up myself maybe a crowdfund or something :lol: I'm sure there would be a lot of interest. What is needed for a football game in my opinion is a company to create a good gameplay base with realistic looking players, stats, animations and ball physics but then almost leave the rest of the game blank. No kits, boots, balls, stadiums, adboards. But let all of those things be created, downloaded and implemented into your game within a matter of seconds. Takes out the need for the company to waste time on that kind of content and builds a creative and thriving community.

As for Konami llike I said it's like they've finally cottoned on to getting passionate community members to help them with the games content but they're implementing it wrong. If you're going to let customers create player stats and faces then why not let us create stadiums, boots, kits etc. And share them via a storefront or creation centre type thing.

Also, me and my mate were speaking earlier and we are 100% Konami will release PES 4/5/6 PS2 games on the PS4. I still play those games so it would be handy to be able to load it up on the PS4 instead of PS2 however, I can't bear to give Konami £7.99 for it.

That kind of brought us onto another subject...

Would anyone like to see a football game with PES 6 gameplay but with modern day graphics? I think that would be an interesting concept and something that could work. It seems like PES 2016 is neither a fun arcade game with aspects of simulation nor a full on simulation game... It's kinda stuck in between.
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Re: Re: PES 2016 NEWS, DISCUSSION, VIDEO & SCREENS (Part 12)

Postby chilleverest » Sat Feb 27, 2016 5:55 pm

On a different matter, the very first tweet of PES 2017 will be about nothing but hype building phrase without even remotely hinting the game itself.
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Re: PES 2016 NEWS, DISCUSSION, VIDEO & SCREENS (Part 12)

Postby Pwalie86 » Sun Feb 28, 2016 12:47 am

Ah I cannot wait for the first bits of news to come late April/May. To me it's the bit that gets me more hyped for E3. Just wonder with EA focusing on gameplay last year what will be a gimmick this year and if Pes adds more to the ML/BAL.

I'm strictly a career mode sort of person so I'm in a minority, but every year I hold a little hope that I finally get an addicting game.
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Re: Re: PES 2016 NEWS, DISCUSSION, VIDEO & SCREENS (Part 12)

Postby chilleverest » Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:20 pm

So Konami will be on E3 confirmed. So they will be showcasing what, pes 2017 only i guess ?

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Re: Re: PES 2016 NEWS, DISCUSSION, VIDEO & SCREENS (Part 12)

Postby bigol83 » Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:48 pm

chilleverest wrote:On a different matter, the very first tweet of PES 2017 will be about nothing but hype building phrase without even remotely hinting the game itself.



You were right. This is from Adam account on twitter, yesterday.

@ishan_suresh PES will be a game for the fans, I can assure you this much. We have achieved great things, now it's time to repay the core
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Re: Re: PES 2016 NEWS, DISCUSSION, VIDEO & SCREENS (Part 12)

Postby Pwalie86 » Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:13 pm

bigol83 wrote:
chilleverest wrote:On a different matter, the very first tweet of PES 2017 will be about nothing but hype building phrase without even remotely hinting the game itself.



You were right. This is from Adam account on twitter, yesterday.

@ishan_suresh PES will be a game for the fans, I can assure you this much. We have achieved great things, now it's time to repay the core


Wow, good spot chilleverest..I wonder if he's got the winning lottery numbers for next week. :lol:
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Re: PES 2016 NEWS, DISCUSSION, VIDEO & SCREENS (Part 12)

Postby Timtc10 » Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:43 am

bigol83 wrote:
chilleverest wrote:On a different matter, the very first tweet of PES 2017 will be about nothing but hype building phrase without even remotely hinting the game itself.



You were right. This is from Adam account on twitter, yesterday.

@ishan_suresh PES will be a game for the fans, I can assure you this much. We have achieved great things, now it's time to repay the core


Who does he consider the fans? Who does he consider the core fans?

In my mind the core fans are guys like us on here and not the kids that use their parents credit cards on Myclub.

However, I can assure you that PES 2017 won't be built to include the things that weve said on here for 10 years but it will be built to emphasise and milk Myclub. Now they have that easy money maker, they won't sacrifice that to give us an in depth, hard to master, realistic yet fun football game. Because then kids can't just pick it up, ping pong the length of the pitch and curl one in the top corner all the time

Would love to be proven wrong though!
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Re: PES 2016 NEWS, DISCUSSION, VIDEO & SCREENS (Part 12)

Postby Pwalie86 » Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:52 am

It's turned into Fifa. I'm quite alarmed that this online pay-to-win scenario is the future of football games. It's going to be more upgrades and massives changes to that and having just slight tweaks to its offline modes.

And yea they'll just continue to dumb it down each year until they finally decide to do-away with career modes and that sort of thing.

So I think a few more years of this and I may have to switch to something like Football Manager where I can get a great career mode at the expense of actually playing the matches. Football is about a career so Pes and Fifa really should keep that in mind.
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Re: PES 2016 NEWS, DISCUSSION, VIDEO & SCREENS (Part 12)

Postby Philla » Mon Feb 29, 2016 9:14 am

Pwalie86 wrote:It's turned into Fifa. I'm quite alarmed that this online pay-to-win scenario is the future of football games. It's going to be more upgrades and massives changes to that and having just slight tweaks to its offline modes.

And yea they'll just continue to dumb it down each year until they finally decide to do-away with career modes and that sort of thing.

So I think a few more years of this and I may have to switch to something like Football Manager where I can get a great career mode at the expense of actually playing the matches. Football is about a career so Pes and Fifa really should keep that in mind.


I think FIFA shows the way how you can please a fan crowd with different expectations.On the one hand they offer FUT for the undemanding, average player - on they other they give you numerous sliders to adjust the game, which gives everyone the opportunity to make a really great, challenging sim (to the extend you like) out of it. This offline-concept in unsion with better editing and sharing functions would give so much more options to PES and can´t be that hard to implement.
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Re: PES 2016 NEWS, DISCUSSION, VIDEO & SCREENS (Part 12)

Postby Timtc10 » Mon Feb 29, 2016 9:47 am

Philla wrote:
Pwalie86 wrote:It's turned into Fifa. I'm quite alarmed that this online pay-to-win scenario is the future of football games. It's going to be more upgrades and massives changes to that and having just slight tweaks to its offline modes.

And yea they'll just continue to dumb it down each year until they finally decide to do-away with career modes and that sort of thing.

So I think a few more years of this and I may have to switch to something like Football Manager where I can get a great career mode at the expense of actually playing the matches. Football is about a career so Pes and Fifa really should keep that in mind.


I think FIFA shows the way how you can please a fan crowd with different expectations.On the one hand they offer FUT for the undemanding, average player - on they other they give you numerous sliders to adjust the game, which gives everyone the opportunity to make a really great, challenging sim (to the extend you like) out of it. This offline-concept in unsion with better editing and sharing functions would give so much more options to PES and can´t be that hard to implement.


Yeah exactly it's completely possible to have both areas.

I think PES 2017 needs more focus on online gamplay though as PES is so far behind in terms of what is expected for an online game in 2016.
I don't mean just myclub but the general online experience. They need to also improve online friendlies and online divisions but most importantly they need to make the online game play like the offline game. No lag, proper entrance scenes and presentation, proper celebrations, better options of choosing assistance level and teams.

That being said, the gameplay needs to be good in the first place
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Re: Re: PES 2016 NEWS, DISCUSSION, VIDEO & SCREENS (Part 12)

Postby chilleverest » Tue Mar 01, 2016 2:49 am

Can anyone explain to me what this ''tron running'' thing is that people over evo web are talking about ?
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Re: PES 2016 NEWS, DISCUSSION, VIDEO & SCREENS (Part 12)

Postby goal23 » Tue Mar 01, 2016 3:14 pm

So, did any of you stats/face editors got an answer from Konami or maybe you are already working for them? :D
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Re: Re: PES 2016 NEWS, DISCUSSION, VIDEO & SCREENS (Part 12)

Postby Pwalie86 » Tue Mar 01, 2016 4:29 pm

chilleverest wrote:Can anyone explain to me what this ''tron running'' thing is that people over evo web are talking about ?


Sounds like another dig at robotic, stiff animations when players run. Or could be that players are also too quick.

Ah, I did a little digging and it may be about how when on the ball the animations appear to loop so they're constantly repeating.
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Re: PES 2016 NEWS, DISCUSSION, VIDEO & SCREENS (Part 12)

Postby twobobpeeters » Tue Mar 01, 2016 8:04 pm

That and being able to run the entire length of the pitch with a defender

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Re: Re: PES 2016 NEWS, DISCUSSION, VIDEO & SCREENS (Part 12)

Postby chilleverest » Tue Mar 01, 2016 8:37 pm

Pwalie86 wrote:
chilleverest wrote:Can anyone explain to me what this ''tron running'' thing is that people over evo web are talking about ?


Sounds like another dig at robotic, stiff animations when players run. Or could be that players are also too quick.

Ah, I did a little digging and it may be about how when on the ball the animations appear to loop so they're constantly repeating.


I went through their post and found out that 2016 uses a looping dribble animation that is very short compared to 2014 that were dynamic in relation to the ball position and player speed, but not as fleshed out as FIFAs . By the looks of it they simplified the dribble animation. So much for 3x more animations.

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Re: Re: PES 2016 NEWS, DISCUSSION, VIDEO & SCREENS (Part 12)

Postby B-Man » Tue Mar 01, 2016 8:43 pm

Asim joins Konami.
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Re: Re: PES 2016 NEWS, DISCUSSION, VIDEO & SCREENS (Part 12)

Postby chilleverest » Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:39 pm

B-Man wrote:Asim joins Konami.


Get hypaa....B-Man, you are now our voice dude and good fucking news this is, i just hope Asim just doesn't become susceptive to Konami's antics. I hope he maintains his integrity.
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Re: PES 2016 NEWS, DISCUSSION, VIDEO & SCREENS (Part 12)

Postby Jimlaw66 » Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:45 pm

Told everyone months ago about the euro licence being just window dressing. The quicker the champions league returns to ea the better. Loads of. Licenced stadiums and better atmosphere. Football fans are being short changed by Konami holding these so called licences
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Re: PES 2016 NEWS, DISCUSSION, VIDEO & SCREENS (Part 12)

Postby Timtc10 » Tue Mar 01, 2016 11:14 pm

My post from September 2015...

Adam Bhatti is a dickhead

His twitter is an absolute gold mine of "how not to be professional", "how to do your job really badly" and "how to be a **** to the people that essentially put you where you are".

I could pull out tweet after tweet, quote after quote to highlight what a complete moron the bloke is. And it's not because of what Konami are telling him to do, its just is personality. He's lucked out in life but thinks that he's Jesus (Or Allah).

And Asim is either on Konami pay roll or he know's there is a potential job opportunity coming up at Konami for him. You lot can choose to ignore it and defend them but that's how it is


The part in bold. Called it. Could see it a long way off after the way PES 2015/16 was handled
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